ProMirror vs Right View Pro video analysis systems

by Fred Aymett
(Pulaski, Tn)

Hack Attack Pitching Machine

Hack Attack Pitching Machine

I'm opening a new baseball academy in small town Pulaski, tn. Which of these two systems would be best for a small academy. I also plan on using the swing-away hitting stations and tanner tees with a hack attack pitching machine. Are there any other must haves for my new facility?


Swing Smarter Response:
Congrats on opening up a baseball academy in your town, I love the initiative to help these poor young hitters who've developed horrible swing imbalances, and we owe it all to aluminum bats.

Unfortunately, I'm going to have to semi-deflect the swing analysis software to the Swing Smarter community because I haven't used either one of the products you mentioned...however, I use and recommend PowerChalk as my swing analysis software of choice, and it is free to join with limited account feature access. You can add-on and pay for whatever feature you like.

Most of this software is the same, they have great endorsements (MLB teams/franchises using it) and have competitive pricing. I like Sports Motion's product because they give you a ton of choices in high speed video & picture camera bundles, along with their easy to use software and tremendous company support system.

It looks like ProMirror's strengths are their touch screen technology and MADE IN USA quality. Rightview Pro's pluses are their use of Pro models you can compare a young hitter against, and supposedly their top notch instruction. Quality of instruction?? I dunno, so I wouldn't hang my hat on that.

Like I mentioned earlier,

I suppose this is a more in-depth discussion for the Swing Smarter community...Who has used either of these and what do you think is the best? Why??

As for other equipment to showcase in your baseball academy...

I developed The Starting Lineup (TSL) store for this reason; featured there are the "9 best baseball hitting aids on the planet." It's like the Major Leagues of swing gadgets, ranging from technique fixers to stand alone devices a hitter can get a lot of quality cuts indoors and out.

For more information on TSL, you can view a short under 7 minute video on the store's home landing page HERE.

Like you Fred, I love the SwingAway, however I do NOT like wheel pitching machines like the Hack Attack...why not? Check out this Swing Smarter article HERE. I prefer arm pitching machines like the IronMike MP4 or MP5.

I hope this helps Fred, and your feedback is much appreciated.

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Dec 14, 2014
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CAMERAS
by: Anonymous

what kind of cameras does Rightview use?

Jun 13, 2013
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POWERCHALK
by: Chas Pippitt, Baseball Rebellion

GUYS...

Why are you paying thousands of dollars for instantly obsolete programs?

Get with Powerchalk and upgrade your Video Analysis capabilities.

Its a cloud based product that is FREE or for less than 100 dollars a year gives you everything you could ever need from video analysis software.

Constantly updated and improved. Great Customer Service.

Powerchalk is all I'd ever use. Check it out at www.powerchalk.com

Chas Pippitt

Baseball Rebellion

Feb 07, 2012
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Richt View Pro (Wireless???)
by: Anonymous

Has anyone tried to set up thier Right View Pro using a wireless format? It would be a lot safer for us to be able to use our cameras without having camera cables stretched out across the floor. If anyone else has tried this with success, please let me know what eequipment you're using, and please share your workflow.
Thx

Aug 25, 2011
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right view pro
by: Anonymous

Has been great, allowing me to break down swings and helps my students improve through specific swing training. Other products that have been a big hit are The Backyard Batter, radar pitching backstop, 9 hole catchers pocket, Elite Swing-away and 28 x 70 ft batting tunnel.

May 02, 2011
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Fantastic
by: Robert

Fred, Where did you get your 9 hole pitching pocket?

Mar 30, 2011
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Dr. A's Baseball Academy
by: Fred

Dr. A's is off to a great start. 21 students signed up in 3 days, not bad! The RightViewPro is an amazing piece of software. Students are responding well to it. I also highly recommend the 9-Hole Pitchers Pocket for anyone. Students love to throw at this 9 pocket strike zone!

Mar 03, 2011
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Right View Pro....
by: Fred

I have just decided to go with Right View Pro. I got an online demo given to me by ex-MLB player Don Slaught and we ended up talking hitting and baseball for nearly 2 hours. For a small town country boy like me that was pretty cool.

I really like the user interface, the professional instruction and video library available to my students as well as my student having the user interface on his own computer at home allowing me to email him lessons for review.

I love the comparison to the Pro players. They break the swing/pitch video into 12 key video shots and time them up with the pros so that the kids can visually see what they are doing right and wrong. I believe the students are going to flip out over this software.

As for Dr. A's Baseball Academy we will be starting out in a 75x100 ft building. A 28x70x12(high) ft enclosed batting tunnel with a 70 ft partition net giving me two batting tunnels. I will have 4 hitting stations along 50 ft of net. Two pitchers mounds with 35 ft of net in the catchers area. Starting out I will have 2 Elite Swing-Aways, One sandlot slugger, one backyard hitter, One nine hole pitchers pocket, atec pitchers screen, 1 fallline multi position tee, 4 tanner tees and 1 pro mound and one homemade mound.

I do like the hack attack machines and will add one at some time. I have seen them work and they are great. Because of their 3 wheel design it allows you to never lose site of the baseball. I'm excited to get started, Grand Opening on March 26th!! Thanks for the comments, I'll update everyone on RightView Pro once I get started.

Mar 03, 2011
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Mechanics versus Repetition
by: Joey from SwingSmarter.com

I totally agree with Robert, Fred. Listen, shoe-string it early and only invest in those hitting tools netting the biggest result with hitting technique, then invest in repetition machines like the Wheeler Dealer, Sandlot Slugger, Arm Pitching Machines, and Drop/Soft Machines like the Backyard Batter.

Again, like Robert instructed, stick with the tees, wood bats (Baums or wood composites), the Pro Hammer, MP30/28's, and video/analysis software (a $200 Flip camera with a tripod would suffice).

I think even Robert talked about in an earlier post on Swing Smarter about investing in Samurai swords!!! Haha, just kidding, you had to read the post, he had his kids using an old blunt one cutting up his wife's inside home candles. Sorry for throwing you under the bus amigo :P

Oh, also a heavy bag would be a super cheap alternative hitting tool giving fantastic feedback for kids in the Impact Position of the swing.

Weight lifting equipment is good, but hold off for now, I'd buy the hitting technique stuff first, then weight training, then repetition machines mentioned above.

Most of your facility's value will be in before/after pictures and video analysis of changed swings. Maybe also investing in a radar gun for measuring bat speed, which adds another element for seeing instant feedback in a young swing.

Fred, I could go on and on about the internet marketing aspect as well. If you're interested in that, then please let me know :) Great thoughts Robert on Sports Motion, I always love your feedback.

Mar 02, 2011
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What you need in a hitting facility
by: Robert Canary

Fred, I run a training facility in Kentucky (just above you). I would have to admit your looking at some rather fancy equipment. After going through the start up on a facility myself. I can give you some good hind-sight.

Number one: Don't get the $3000 pitching machines. If someone wants to hit some balls, fine, go find an old iron mike sling arm. We found three of these setting outside a barn, and bought all three for $3000 (including 100s of ball). After a while you will not use them very much, once the newness wears off, everyone decides to fine tune. Basically what happens: your batters see they are not improving, because they are swinging the same way all the time, now they want some help, now you break out the Motion Analysis, and the hitting Tees. NOW we're getting serious.

Don't go wild on your netting ... your most effect training aid is the tee. Buy the nice tees. Yes get a video system. But also make sure you have broadband and a local wireless router (trust me on this). Also get some good weight training equipment, but don't go crazy with glitter in your eyes. We are not building bulk with our weight training, we are building strength with fast repetitions.

Also grab a couple MP30s and MP28s.
And lots of wooden bats.
another useful thing I picked up was the bounce back netting (you know the bouncy nets about 4ft high and 3ft wide). Players love playing against those, and there is all sorts of real fun training drills you can do with a bounce back.

Hope this helps :)

Mar 02, 2011
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Compare the Motion Analysis Software
by: Robert Canary

Well I like both the SportsCAD and Sports Motion. Sports Motion: I like the quick links on the right side of the screen. I like the bookmarks. I like editing a speed line and being able to click on the line to read the speed at that point on the line. I love their editing tools arsenal, I like being able to type note directly on the video. However, I have to stay focused on the task at hand.... too teach my kids. They really don't care about how fast the bat or ball is going, they want to hit the ball, they want to control the ball. *I* want them to understand what I am trying to explain. A simple pointer, a couple of lines, some circles hear and there, is really all I need. A side-by-video is useful, even an overlay is very useful. Because of that I have to look at the end result. The lesson plan!!! While I really like the many tools and functions, Sports Motion falls short on delivering a ready-to-see video format to the student. You can burn your edits to a CD, and even email them to a student. We really need something a little more, uploading a nice layout to a webserver, and cutting a self-Loading CD with a selection menu to view whatever vids you send. Sports Motion also comes up to confusing, I'd rather load the program, click on capture, and go to work. If I decide to keep the video then I'll spend time to sort it out.

BTW, Sports Motion also has a wireless remote for their software. That is very useful, however these can be purchased from a third party as well. Blu-Link makes a universal Inferred and Bluetooth. Our laptop has bluetooth wireless and the remote works great, the camera is inferred so the remote works on it as well.

As far me: I'm still stuck between Sports CAD and Sports Motion Pro-Trainer. I believe I am leaning towards SportsCAD.

Mar 01, 2011
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Whew, that was a lot of geek speak!
by: Joey from Swing Smarter

Dude, Robert that was some good info, I didn't understand half of it but you sure have a good handle on this stuff and I greatly appreciate your advice. What do you think about Sports Motion? It's what I carry in The Starting Lineup store, the software alone is around $200.

Mar 01, 2011
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Compare the Motion Analysis Software
by: Robert Canary

I am also looking for a descent software package.

Right View Pro video analysis is way to proud of their software, so yes Dart Fish.

I ended up between Motion Pro and SportsCAD (http://www.sportscad.com/) (both for under $1000).

Motion Pro seemed to be to confusing and had to many step for me to go though. However, they have lots of video editing tools, including speed calcs.

SportCAD, turned out to be my favorite. It has a very annoying editing tool, that doesn't display until you put your mouse over the top edge of the screen. You can track speed, but once you do, it has no way of recalling the numbers. You have to go through the motions/edits all over again. None of the edit marks can be changed once they are drawn, you either have to delete them or live with them. It also has no fad-out option on the edit marks, so they stay on the entire video. But in lesson mode, where you actually record your voice and your editing all these things are possible. It is almost like your using a magic board while giving talking to a classroom. Thus far, I believe it has the most accurate video conversion when importing videos. Other functions: I absolutely love the "Hot Spot" function. And it has the ability to ghost only part of an image versus most analysis software requires the whole transparency to glue over the original. However, the thing that really did it for me was its great organization/layout, student profile, and an excellent Lesson/CD creator. The user interface flow is very nice and simple to get to where you want.

I have recently found a MotionPro http://www.motionprosoftware.com/index.htm which I am trying to evaluate. However, their trail version is only the player version and not the full Instructor's version. And they will not give out a trial Instructor's Version. Therefore my evaluation and potential purchase stopped there.

While looking for a solution, I think you'll find most of the bells and whistles are completely useless, and have absolutely no useful function coaching. Dartfish was interested in selling their $3000 software on the basis of there "Great online upload, let-the-world-see my own store front" I don't think I ever did get though the guy's head I don't give a crap, I want to instruct my players.

With all that said: Live capture requires a Firewire port. Dual capture requires two separate Firewire drivers. You cannot cheat and use an adapter card with two ports. Firewire is fading out like 9-pin serial ports, and will be all but obsolete in a few years. USB3.0 is the new standard. Cameras? we purchased a $2500 camera because the better cameras can be used in both low light and sunlight. The larger the capture surface (CCD) the better the video. No matter how good the camera, the software will only evaluate 60FPS, no matter what the brochure says....unless you purchase the $6000 software, and that is not feasible for an instructional video analysis system.

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